Cross posted from StikNstein...has no mercy
FOLLOWING ARE COMMENTS FROM THE FIFTY OR SO BLOGS STIK VISITS DAILY.
Remember, these are Conservative blogs with conservative readers. For the last few years most of these folks have been ardent supporters of the President and the Conservative perspective.
We tend to be principled pragmatists as are most Americans. Our leadership has zombied out and we can see it…..it’s agonizing.
This latest blow (the immigration Bill fiasco) is very real to Americans. Our leaders have lost their minds if they think they can get this past us. Their change is obvious and is beginning to meet real resistance.
We’re tough too. Most of us can admit our mistakes and move on and make wiser decisions based on our mistakes. Americans understand that and are willing to accept us because they understand we are all imperfect.
Watching these readers perspective move from loyalty to skepticism to cynicism and now to disgust has been disheartening but enlightening…and in some ways reassuring.
Rather than excusing the abandonment of principle by the people they elect, they are confronting and rejecting it.
SO……Bush has failed as a conservative leader and he’s dragging us down. His ecstatic support of this sorry excuse for a solution to our immigration problems is gut wrenching for those Americans who believe in common sense, equity and the rule of law.
The Republican disaffection has been a result what our representatives are doing…it is the abandonment of the ideals of the people they claim to represent. The best example were the slate of idiots buffoons and pretty boys we presented to the American people last November. There wasn’t a one in the bunch that inspired passion or vision. Worse than that, they were lying to us saying they were “Bona fide”…..and they weren’t….and now they’re proving it.
They’re becoming the things of our nightmares.
It’s as if an entire city of men and women who once were respected and trusted by millions of Americans has become an army of arm flailing, zombified Republicans staggering aimlessly around Washington moaning…..”BRAINS….WE NEED BRAINS.”
They sure could use some, but their base is no longer willing to cut them any slack.
They have become our enemy……..
These commenters love the Republican Party. It used to stand for the things they believed in. The immigration Amnesty Bill is Bushes last attempt to gain some kind of legacy. If it passes with the help of leaders who have abandoned the majority of Americans, he will have his legacy.
It won’t be pretty.
The Immigration bill is one of the single worst pieces of legislation I have ever read. It’s so poorly written and so full of loopholes and inconsistencies it almost appears to be intentionally crafted to fail. The people who wrote it and those who support it are plain and simple lying to us. A clear majority of Americans don’t support it’s main premise….Amnesty for a group of people who intentionally broke our laws and continue to do so with impunity.
And if that’s not enough………It’s so sloppily written, it wont even do the BAD things it is intended to do!
AND WE KNOW IT…………
Republicans…….
READ WHAT YOUR SUPPORTERS HAVE TO SAY :
**********************
Under the proposed plan, an illegal alien can apply for a “Z” Visa without paying any penalties, and renew the “Z” visa in perpetuity. So, they get to stay here, pay no fine, and suffer no penalty for breaking the law……AMNESTY!
(illegal immigrants) are unable or unwilling to solve the problems of the political or economic system back in their home country. They recognize they can sneak across our borders or come here with a visa and disappear into the woodwork when it expires and exploit our system…..Our conservative leaders for reasons of greed and or power are embracing them.
I just emailed the McCain campaign:
Congratulations Mr. McCain! You have succeeded in energizing the conservative base!
Unfortunately, you have energized them against YOU
If the Democrats want to impeach Bush at this point, I wouldn’t care.
Why would Hiliary Clinton and Barak Hussein Bin Obama support impeaching Bush now that he’s become one of them
“I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.”
Amnesty is the hamburger. Enforcement is the payment that will never come
I was an early giver to the Guiliani campaign. Got an email yesterday asking for more money. Shot it back noting that I won’t be giving any more money until I know Guiliani’s position on this bill.
Sad thing is I already know what he thinks, but was trying to forget it…
Bush is seals his legacy as the worst president in United States history with this act.
The requirement to pay the fine and “go home” is unenforceable
I’d say the progress on the mythical fence that was approved last year tells us everything we need to know about whether or not there will be a good-faith enforcement effort.
This is why revolutions happen. The elected representatives of this country are acting directly against the wishes of it’s people, democrat and republican
Exactly. Watch KKK and Neo-nazi activity increase. Good job morons.
So, are we now to accept that the federal government (the same federal government that put us in this position through its gross incompetence) will become competent overnight in its ability to manage illegal immigration, and the 12 to 20 million illegals already here?
It’s clear that our senators do not represent us in anything more than the barest sense of the word at this point.
Since our lawmakers have basically flipped us the bird, we need to take matters into our own hands. Obviously, we need not vote for these traitors again.
SEC 103 (a):
Construction of Border Control Facilities- Subject to the availability of appropriations, the Secretary shall construct all-weather roads and acquire additional vehicle barriers and facilities necessary to achieve operational control of the international borders of the United States.
SEC 245B:
If an alien is ordered to be removed due to the fact that he/she did not submit to inspection on reentering the US, remained past their authorized date, failed to maintain “legal” status while in the US (whatever the hell that means), or if their leaving would cause their family “hardship,” they CONTINUE TO REMAIN ELIGIBLE for adjustment to lawful resident status.
They’re going to vote on this bill this coming week — bizarrely, before they’ve even let the American public know what it says.
If I’m being single-issue, it’s because they’re trying to sneak this past everyone before the public even knows there’s a major, major bill about to be passed (and signed into law) or what the hell it actually says.
A few other tidbits (all in summary form):
•The draft includes $400M to process criminal illegal aliens.
Wait! I thought that they were all hard-working people who just wanted to come here for a better life. You mean some of them might be criminals?!
•It also allows for “sufficient transportation and officers to take illegal aliens apprehended by State and local law enforcement officers into custody for processing at a detention facility…”
What happens then? I’m so glad you asked! Alternatives to detention still include “release on order of recognizance.” So, it’s just business-as-usual boys and girls!
•Proof of work history requires only that they have affidavits from non-relatives.
So they can line up on the south side, say “Si! I have lived in los Estados Unidos for cinco anos, so I am eligible to become a nonimmigrant! Here are my amigos who will tell you the truth!”
•Taxes – they don’t get to file for refunds prior to FY2006.
Boo freakin’ hoo.
•Siblings (under 18) and ex-spouses also have the right to jump to the front of the line.
Yes, that’s EX-spouses. Everyone knows you can’t move to a new country without bringing along all your old baggage!
Quite possibly my (sarc)favorite(\sarc) one:
SEC 922 of Title 18 will be amended to allow “nonimmigrants” (yep, that beats “illegal aliens” any day) to own firearms.
Yippee ki yi yay!! I just can’t wait for the next Cinco de Mayo!!
Sorry, I know that this is long, and I’m preaching to the choir, but I am just sick today as I watch the greatest country on earth implode. Every last one of these @ssh0les who votes for this crap, or does not work hard enough against it, needs to be voted out of office as soon as we get the chance.
This ridiculous compromise will have a tsunami effect and will send hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants clamoring across the border to get in on the amnesty. There is absolutely no way to confirm how long they have been here. Another absolute failure spearheaded by the insanity of Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
I’d swear, if space aliens landed in Washington D.C. and spent some time observing what’s going on there, they could be excused for concluding that Mexico had recently defeated the United States in a war and was proceeding with colonization of its conquered territory via its puppet government here.
It’s dismaying and disgusting in equal measure to watch the self-destruction of the Republican Party that’s gone on since 2004 and shows no signs of slowing down. I have no idea what they’re thinking in the Senate, but from this angle the consequences are readily foreseeable:
Millions of illegal aliens will soon become “legal” - and eventually become “citizens” - for no other reason than a collapse of the Republican party’s political will on an issue that the majority of Americans would support them if they only had courage.
Few, very few of the new “voters” are going to be voting Republican, contrary to the apparent delusional thinking that must be going on in the minds of the Republican party’s leadership.
Anyone who thinks that this capitulation isn’t going to see a flood of untold millions more illegals in the next few years is a fool
Say good-bye to social security.
Sat good-bye to summer jobs for kids.
Say good-bye to the GOP
Say good-bye to affordable health-care
And say good-bye to our Grandchildren’s future
George Bush WILL go down in history as the WORST President ever, as both Democrats and Republicans will claim it now.
Thank you Jorge for single-handedly destroying the Republican Party…
Agreed. “His compassionate conservatism” is is a euphemism for
1. Uncontrolled spending
2. Legalizing Illegals
3. Death of personal responsibility
4. Irrational desire to embrace the people who hate him and will NEVER support him in anything.
If the Democrats want to impeach Bush at this point, I wouldn’t care.
Why would Hiliary Clinton and Barak Hussein Bin Obama support impeaching Bush now that he’s become one of them
They have just sold my security down the river for immigrant votes, and big businesses dollars….
Sad day.
Basically, Mexico pulled off the greatest scam of all time. They got us to take their undeveloped wilderness, waited while we civilized and developed it, and now they’re getting it back, all prettied up.
I doubt President Bush cares if 8 or 8,000,000 people leave the party. That’s just 8,000,000 fewer party members who disagree with them
Thanks Mr. President. You just stuck your middle finger in the eye of all our ancestors who did it the right way. What you have done is shameful.
The job of the citizens is to voice their opinion to the lawmakers in congress to kill this bill before it gets that far. So in that regard the average American can do something but it is going to involve your elected lawmakers.
It makes me ashamed as a conservative to print the following:
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration
(CAII).
“illegal immigration”
If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let us know at what level you would like to participate.
Technorati Tags: news, politics, illegal aliens, illegal immigration, border, border security, republican
FOLLOWING ARE COMMENTS FROM THE FIFTY OR SO BLOGS STIK VISITS DAILY.
Remember, these are Conservative blogs with conservative readers. For the last few years most of these folks have been ardent supporters of the President and the Conservative perspective.
We tend to be principled pragmatists as are most Americans. Our leadership has zombied out and we can see it…..it’s agonizing.
This latest blow (the immigration Bill fiasco) is very real to Americans. Our leaders have lost their minds if they think they can get this past us. Their change is obvious and is beginning to meet real resistance.
We’re tough too. Most of us can admit our mistakes and move on and make wiser decisions based on our mistakes. Americans understand that and are willing to accept us because they understand we are all imperfect.
Watching these readers perspective move from loyalty to skepticism to cynicism and now to disgust has been disheartening but enlightening…and in some ways reassuring.
Rather than excusing the abandonment of principle by the people they elect, they are confronting and rejecting it.
SO……Bush has failed as a conservative leader and he’s dragging us down. His ecstatic support of this sorry excuse for a solution to our immigration problems is gut wrenching for those Americans who believe in common sense, equity and the rule of law.
The Republican disaffection has been a result what our representatives are doing…it is the abandonment of the ideals of the people they claim to represent. The best example were the slate of idiots buffoons and pretty boys we presented to the American people last November. There wasn’t a one in the bunch that inspired passion or vision. Worse than that, they were lying to us saying they were “Bona fide”…..and they weren’t….and now they’re proving it.
They’re becoming the things of our nightmares.
It’s as if an entire city of men and women who once were respected and trusted by millions of Americans has become an army of arm flailing, zombified Republicans staggering aimlessly around Washington moaning…..”BRAINS….WE NEED BRAINS.”
They sure could use some, but their base is no longer willing to cut them any slack.
They have become our enemy……..
These commenters love the Republican Party. It used to stand for the things they believed in. The immigration Amnesty Bill is Bushes last attempt to gain some kind of legacy. If it passes with the help of leaders who have abandoned the majority of Americans, he will have his legacy.
It won’t be pretty.
The Immigration bill is one of the single worst pieces of legislation I have ever read. It’s so poorly written and so full of loopholes and inconsistencies it almost appears to be intentionally crafted to fail. The people who wrote it and those who support it are plain and simple lying to us. A clear majority of Americans don’t support it’s main premise….Amnesty for a group of people who intentionally broke our laws and continue to do so with impunity.
And if that’s not enough………It’s so sloppily written, it wont even do the BAD things it is intended to do!
AND WE KNOW IT…………
Republicans…….
READ WHAT YOUR SUPPORTERS HAVE TO SAY :
**********************
Under the proposed plan, an illegal alien can apply for a “Z” Visa without paying any penalties, and renew the “Z” visa in perpetuity. So, they get to stay here, pay no fine, and suffer no penalty for breaking the law……AMNESTY!
(illegal immigrants) are unable or unwilling to solve the problems of the political or economic system back in their home country. They recognize they can sneak across our borders or come here with a visa and disappear into the woodwork when it expires and exploit our system…..Our conservative leaders for reasons of greed and or power are embracing them.
I just emailed the McCain campaign:
Congratulations Mr. McCain! You have succeeded in energizing the conservative base!
Unfortunately, you have energized them against YOU
If the Democrats want to impeach Bush at this point, I wouldn’t care.
Why would Hiliary Clinton and Barak Hussein Bin Obama support impeaching Bush now that he’s become one of them
“I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.”
Amnesty is the hamburger. Enforcement is the payment that will never come
I was an early giver to the Guiliani campaign. Got an email yesterday asking for more money. Shot it back noting that I won’t be giving any more money until I know Guiliani’s position on this bill.
Sad thing is I already know what he thinks, but was trying to forget it…
Bush is seals his legacy as the worst president in United States history with this act.
The requirement to pay the fine and “go home” is unenforceable
I’d say the progress on the mythical fence that was approved last year tells us everything we need to know about whether or not there will be a good-faith enforcement effort.
This is why revolutions happen. The elected representatives of this country are acting directly against the wishes of it’s people, democrat and republican
Exactly. Watch KKK and Neo-nazi activity increase. Good job morons.
So, are we now to accept that the federal government (the same federal government that put us in this position through its gross incompetence) will become competent overnight in its ability to manage illegal immigration, and the 12 to 20 million illegals already here?
It’s clear that our senators do not represent us in anything more than the barest sense of the word at this point.
Since our lawmakers have basically flipped us the bird, we need to take matters into our own hands. Obviously, we need not vote for these traitors again.
SEC 103 (a):
Construction of Border Control Facilities- Subject to the availability of appropriations, the Secretary shall construct all-weather roads and acquire additional vehicle barriers and facilities necessary to achieve operational control of the international borders of the United States.
SEC 245B:
If an alien is ordered to be removed due to the fact that he/she did not submit to inspection on reentering the US, remained past their authorized date, failed to maintain “legal” status while in the US (whatever the hell that means), or if their leaving would cause their family “hardship,” they CONTINUE TO REMAIN ELIGIBLE for adjustment to lawful resident status.
They’re going to vote on this bill this coming week — bizarrely, before they’ve even let the American public know what it says.
If I’m being single-issue, it’s because they’re trying to sneak this past everyone before the public even knows there’s a major, major bill about to be passed (and signed into law) or what the hell it actually says.
A few other tidbits (all in summary form):
•The draft includes $400M to process criminal illegal aliens.
Wait! I thought that they were all hard-working people who just wanted to come here for a better life. You mean some of them might be criminals?!
•It also allows for “sufficient transportation and officers to take illegal aliens apprehended by State and local law enforcement officers into custody for processing at a detention facility…”
What happens then? I’m so glad you asked! Alternatives to detention still include “release on order of recognizance.” So, it’s just business-as-usual boys and girls!
•Proof of work history requires only that they have affidavits from non-relatives.
So they can line up on the south side, say “Si! I have lived in los Estados Unidos for cinco anos, so I am eligible to become a nonimmigrant! Here are my amigos who will tell you the truth!”
•Taxes – they don’t get to file for refunds prior to FY2006.
Boo freakin’ hoo.
•Siblings (under 18) and ex-spouses also have the right to jump to the front of the line.
Yes, that’s EX-spouses. Everyone knows you can’t move to a new country without bringing along all your old baggage!
Quite possibly my (sarc)favorite(\sarc) one:
SEC 922 of Title 18 will be amended to allow “nonimmigrants” (yep, that beats “illegal aliens” any day) to own firearms.
Yippee ki yi yay!! I just can’t wait for the next Cinco de Mayo!!
Sorry, I know that this is long, and I’m preaching to the choir, but I am just sick today as I watch the greatest country on earth implode. Every last one of these @ssh0les who votes for this crap, or does not work hard enough against it, needs to be voted out of office as soon as we get the chance.
This ridiculous compromise will have a tsunami effect and will send hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants clamoring across the border to get in on the amnesty. There is absolutely no way to confirm how long they have been here. Another absolute failure spearheaded by the insanity of Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
I’d swear, if space aliens landed in Washington D.C. and spent some time observing what’s going on there, they could be excused for concluding that Mexico had recently defeated the United States in a war and was proceeding with colonization of its conquered territory via its puppet government here.
It’s dismaying and disgusting in equal measure to watch the self-destruction of the Republican Party that’s gone on since 2004 and shows no signs of slowing down. I have no idea what they’re thinking in the Senate, but from this angle the consequences are readily foreseeable:
Millions of illegal aliens will soon become “legal” - and eventually become “citizens” - for no other reason than a collapse of the Republican party’s political will on an issue that the majority of Americans would support them if they only had courage.
Few, very few of the new “voters” are going to be voting Republican, contrary to the apparent delusional thinking that must be going on in the minds of the Republican party’s leadership.
Anyone who thinks that this capitulation isn’t going to see a flood of untold millions more illegals in the next few years is a fool
Say good-bye to social security.
Sat good-bye to summer jobs for kids.
Say good-bye to the GOP
Say good-bye to affordable health-care
And say good-bye to our Grandchildren’s future
George Bush WILL go down in history as the WORST President ever, as both Democrats and Republicans will claim it now.
Thank you Jorge for single-handedly destroying the Republican Party…
Agreed. “His compassionate conservatism” is is a euphemism for
1. Uncontrolled spending
2. Legalizing Illegals
3. Death of personal responsibility
4. Irrational desire to embrace the people who hate him and will NEVER support him in anything.
If the Democrats want to impeach Bush at this point, I wouldn’t care.
Why would Hiliary Clinton and Barak Hussein Bin Obama support impeaching Bush now that he’s become one of them
They have just sold my security down the river for immigrant votes, and big businesses dollars….
Sad day.
Basically, Mexico pulled off the greatest scam of all time. They got us to take their undeveloped wilderness, waited while we civilized and developed it, and now they’re getting it back, all prettied up.
I doubt President Bush cares if 8 or 8,000,000 people leave the party. That’s just 8,000,000 fewer party members who disagree with them
Thanks Mr. President. You just stuck your middle finger in the eye of all our ancestors who did it the right way. What you have done is shameful.
The job of the citizens is to voice their opinion to the lawmakers in congress to kill this bill before it gets that far. So in that regard the average American can do something but it is going to involve your elected lawmakers.
It makes me ashamed as a conservative to print the following:
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration
(CAII).
“illegal immigration”
If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let us know at what level you would like to participate.
Technorati Tags: news, politics, illegal aliens, illegal immigration, border, border security, republican
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